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Interview with Carry Somers

Carry Somers
Carry Somers
Founder
Fashion Revolution
Fashion Revolution

We still have a long way to go
Carry Somers was inspired to act after the Rana Plaza factory collapse in Bangladesh in 2013 and founded Fashion Revolution. For the previous 20 years, Carry's fashion brand Pachacuti had pioneered radical supply chain transparency, mapping the GPS co-ordinates of each stage of the production process, from the community plantations where the straw grows, through to each Panama hat weaver's house. Carry in a conversation with Subir Ghosh.

It's been five years since the Fashion Revolution movement was launched. How do you look at the journey so far? Is five years too less to make an assessment of an impact?

Five years ago, the Rana Plaza factory collapse shook the fashion world, and ignited a Fashion Revolution. Five years of Fashion Revolution means five years of millions of people using their voices and their power to call for greater transparency. And it's working. We are now the world's largest fashion activism movement. We have counted 152 large brands publishing a list of the facilities where their clothes are made. (Brands with a turnover over £36m. Data as of end February 2018).

But we still have a long way to go until everyone who makes our clothes can live and work with dignity, in healthy conditions and without fear of losing their life. Poverty, human rights abuses, lack of union representation, unfair wages, discrimination, environmental pollution, waste and lack of transparency all remain within fashion. In our Garment Worker Diaries project which interviewed 540 garment workers every week over the course of last year, 40 per cent of workers had seen a fire in their factory.

Every day people are risking their lives to make our clothes. In the 2018 Fashion Transparency Index published on April 23 which ranks 150 of the biggest fashion brands and retailers according to how much they disclose about their social and environmental policies, practices and impact, 12 brands scored zero per cent and 48 brands and retailers (32 per cent) are scoring in the bottom 0-10 per cent range. This shows that many brands and retailers are still lagging far behind, disclosing very little about their social and environmental practices. This is why we still need a Fashion Revolution and are planning to make this Fashion Revolution Week bigger and bolder than ever before.
 

Brings me to brands. Have brands been taking Fashion Revolution seriously enough? Or, do you think most have been either engaging in counter-PR campaigns or simply brushing aside the issues at hand? Don't you think there's too much of greenwashing around?

No, I think there is less and less greenwashing around. Debbie Coulter of the ETI said at our Fashion Transparency Index press briefing today that it is no longer a question of whether brands are moving towards transparency, but how.

Disclosing key supplier, supply chain and operational information helps NGOs, unions, local communities and the workers themselves to more swiftly alert brands to human rights and environmental concerns. It can also help to protect brand reputation by enabling the company to more swiftly take action if any unauthorised facilities are being used to make its products. 

Sustainability (especially w.r.t fashion) is a lifestyle issue. Convincing governments and industry might be easier to do than bring about lifestyle changes among billions around the world. Your comments, please.

We have certainly seen improvements in the fashion industry in the past five years as more brands are understanding the importance of publishing information about their suppliers and their codes of practice, coupled with pressure from consumers and from legislation such as the Modern Slavery Act and California Transparency in Supply Chains Act.

We hope the Fashion Transparency Index helps to demonstrate the need for mandatory due diligence and reporting. We would also like to see governments make companies and their executives legally responsible for what happens in the company's supply chains, regardless of whether the company has direct control or where in the world abuses may be happening. 

Coming to the impact itself. How have you been tracking the impact of #FashRev? What are the metrics that you have been falling back on?

No, because we haven't used the #FashRev hashtag for the past few years. Our main hashtags are #whomademyclothes and #fashionrevolution, with #imadeyourclothes for the response of brands, retailers and producers. Last April, we saw 533 million impressions of our hashtags on social media. Last year, 3,600 organisations posted photographs with the hashtag #ImadeYourClothes. Over 2.5 million people engaged in the Fashion Revolution campaign last year.
Coming to the impact itself. How have you been tracking the impact of #FashRev? What are the metrics that you have been falling back on?

How much do you think the movement has been able to have an impact on the discourse about sustainable fashion itself? Or, say for instance, on the harmful effects of fast fashion (just as an example)?

Indices such as the Fashion Transparency Index also help to motivate brands to improve. When we compare the 98 brands and retailers that were included in both the 2017 and 2018 Fashion Transparency Index, we have seen these brands and retailers increase their level of transparency by an average of approximately 5 per cent overall and across each section of the methodology-suggesting that inclusion in the Index has influenced brands and retailers to disclose more information. Through the Fashion Transparency Index, we want to see fashion brands and retailers increase levels of supply chain transparency and communications, seeing improved scores year on year. Through publishing the Fashion Transparency Index research, we hope brands will be pushed in a more positive direction towards a fundamental shift in the way the system works, beginning with being more transparent.

This is made very clear on your website: "We don't know enough about the impact our clothing has on people and planet." That said and accepted, are you yourself working on research? Or aiding / assisting others in doing to?

Both. Fashion Revolution is a highly collaborative movement; so, we talk to the other organisations involved in benchmarking such as the The Corporate Human Rights Benchmark, Know the Chain, Behind the Barcode. And, of course, we carry out research ourselves, resulting in the Fashion Transparency Index, backed up by sending questionnaires to the brands. Sarah Ditty, our Head of Policy, and I, coupled with a team of researchers, work on and consult with other organisations and experts on the methodology and lead on the research. We also carry out further research at times which is published in White Papers and we will publish a new white paper at the end of the year.

Agenda-setting is important. How do you think you have fared on this front? I ask this because the movement seems to be geared more towards brands than governments. Very little can be binding on manufacturers or brands if governments are not brought into the picture.

See earlier answer. Fashion Revolution works year-round on projects, policy and awareness-raising. We have participated in high-level EU, G7 and UN events. We have co-organised events at the European Parliament and House of Lords and run Fashion Question Time in the Houses of Parliament every year. 

On April 26, 2017, Fashion Revolution's Head of Policy, Sarah Ditty, spoke at a high-level meeting in the European Parliament "Remembering Rana Plaza - how can we create fair and sustainable supply chains in the garment sector?" This event came the day before an important plenary vote by Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) on a report pushing rules to curb worker exploitation throughout fashion's global supply chains. The European Parliament passed the resolution 505 votes to 49 against with 57 abstentions. The hope is that this will lead to laws, which will ensure better working conditions for the people who make our clothes. 

One of the pegs of the movement has been transparency. How have brands reacted to the Fashion Transparency Index in the year gone by? Have they been trying to improve on their scores? From what I remember not a single brand went beyond the 50 per cent grade.

This year 10 brands achieved more than 50 per cent. Adidas and Reebok were followed by Puma, H&M, Esprit, Banana Republic, Gap, Old Navy, C&A and Marks & Spencer in the 51-60 per cent range of scoring.

The section on transparency is where we have seen the most improvement in transparency since last year's report. Fifty-five of the 150 brands are publishing a list of their 'tier one' factories-in other words, where their clothes are typically cut, sewn and completed. This means 37 per cent of brands and retailers in this report are disclosing who their suppliers are, up from 32 per cent last year (32 brands in total in 2017). This year, 32 of the 150 brands and retailers are publishing over 95 per cent of their 'tier one' suppliers. 

A few brands and retailers are going above and beyond the requirements of the Transparency Pledge. Four brands include an email address or phone number for each 'tier one' supplier; these include Converse, Jordan, Nike (all owned by Nike, Inc.) and Lindex. Three brands-Converse, Jordan, Nike (all owned by Nike, Inc)-include the percentage of foreign and migrant workers in each supplier. Although not covered within the scoring of our methodology, we thought it interesting to point out that Marks & Spencer is the only brand/retailer that includes whether each facility on its 'tier one' supplier list has a trade union or workers committee. 

Only one brand is publishing where they source raw materials. Ninety per cent of the fibres produced for ASOS products come from major suppliers Lenzing and Aditya Birla with a very small amount sourced from Shangdong Yemi and Nanjing Chemicals. Last year, no brands or retailers were disclosing the source of raw materials. 
Published on: 23/04/2018

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