To conclude we asked him to share his experiences working with the North Koreans, to which he said, “At first we set up contact – via e-mail, which was pretty cool (we expected fax), and then through countless of face-to-face meetings in conference rooms, dimly lit bars, weird cellars, Chinese back-alleys and North Korean computer centres (to name but a few locations that this project has taken us). All of these encounters have resulted in a very loving relationship between us and some of the North Koreans that we've met. Regarding the working experience the key word is; getting there, slowly, but surely.